Imperial Proclamation AII-1: Regarding the Counties
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Imperial Proclamation AII-1: Regarding the Counties
Imperial Proclamation AII-1
Regarding the Counties
I have for quite some time been trying to wrap my head around the counties issue. Under the old subdivision system, all counties were distributed among the various duchies and baronies without any regard to the level of development, the claim the subdivision might have over the county or who was its lord, if any. Most counties went undeveloped for quite some time. Many still are. When a new citizen joined Shireroth, they were automatically given a Countship and a county to rule. Many made important contributions to Shireroth and progressed through the ranks, while others did nothing with their county. It was just a line in their signature. You couldn't even really tell whether or not a duchy or barony had many developed counties without doing a deep dive through the various sub-boards.
This new system is, however, very different. Counties will no longer be awarded to citizens without any regard to their level of commitment to the development of said county. This applies to both new and old citizens. Neither will any House have any authority or claim over a county that it, or its members, have no connection with. The system I want to put in place was partly inspired by Andreas post in the IAC, partly inspired by Ric when I've discussed with him, partly from Erik and partly from myself. Under this system, each House would get one core county, their capital. It could never be removed from the House, except in extreme circumstances, and would serve as the core of the House territory. In addition to this, the current members of the House could claim any county that they have been involved in developing. With involved I mean preferably a Shirewiki entry, as well as a large percentage of posts in said county, as well as cultural work. Having visited or posted there once or twice, or made some small contribution, does not count. The claim would be filed with the Arbiter and they would then review the claim and its merits.
If the person that the county is connected to leaves the House, the counties connected to zie leaves the House as well. This means that if you develop counties, they will also follow you. This could potentially make a very messy map, but I don't see that as much of a problem. Most Houses are very tight, and this gives the head of the House much incentive to treat zir underlings in a good way. This part is open for discussion though. When it comes to new citizens though, no counties will be given based solely on the number of members there are in a House. I thank Andreas for this part. A citizen may apply to the Arbiter for a specific county to develop, and will then be granted it. If it is not developed, it will be revoked. This will also apply to current and former citizens. Sentimental attachment or tradition will count for nothing from now on. If you hold a county that you have developed, you will keep it. If you hold a county you have done nothing with, you will lose it.
This basically means that the territory of a House will depend to a great extent on previous and present cultural work by its members.
Regarding the Counties
I have for quite some time been trying to wrap my head around the counties issue. Under the old subdivision system, all counties were distributed among the various duchies and baronies without any regard to the level of development, the claim the subdivision might have over the county or who was its lord, if any. Most counties went undeveloped for quite some time. Many still are. When a new citizen joined Shireroth, they were automatically given a Countship and a county to rule. Many made important contributions to Shireroth and progressed through the ranks, while others did nothing with their county. It was just a line in their signature. You couldn't even really tell whether or not a duchy or barony had many developed counties without doing a deep dive through the various sub-boards.
This new system is, however, very different. Counties will no longer be awarded to citizens without any regard to their level of commitment to the development of said county. This applies to both new and old citizens. Neither will any House have any authority or claim over a county that it, or its members, have no connection with. The system I want to put in place was partly inspired by Andreas post in the IAC, partly inspired by Ric when I've discussed with him, partly from Erik and partly from myself. Under this system, each House would get one core county, their capital. It could never be removed from the House, except in extreme circumstances, and would serve as the core of the House territory. In addition to this, the current members of the House could claim any county that they have been involved in developing. With involved I mean preferably a Shirewiki entry, as well as a large percentage of posts in said county, as well as cultural work. Having visited or posted there once or twice, or made some small contribution, does not count. The claim would be filed with the Arbiter and they would then review the claim and its merits.
If the person that the county is connected to leaves the House, the counties connected to zie leaves the House as well. This means that if you develop counties, they will also follow you. This could potentially make a very messy map, but I don't see that as much of a problem. Most Houses are very tight, and this gives the head of the House much incentive to treat zir underlings in a good way. This part is open for discussion though. When it comes to new citizens though, no counties will be given based solely on the number of members there are in a House. I thank Andreas for this part. A citizen may apply to the Arbiter for a specific county to develop, and will then be granted it. If it is not developed, it will be revoked. This will also apply to current and former citizens. Sentimental attachment or tradition will count for nothing from now on. If you hold a county that you have developed, you will keep it. If you hold a county you have done nothing with, you will lose it.
This basically means that the territory of a House will depend to a great extent on previous and present cultural work by its members.
Anandja II Shika
Kaiseress of Shireroth
Lady of the Golden Mango Throne
Countess of Shirekeep
'Ananita, Shika Shilota'i
Kaiseress of Shireroth
Lady of the Golden Mango Throne
Countess of Shirekeep
'Ananita, Shika Shilota'i
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Re: Imperial Proclamation AII-1: Regarding the Counties
If this system was in place at the moment, the following counties would probably be revoked:
Mortis
Amarr
Discontinuity
Kalir
Araxion
Bjorngard
Cimmeria
Wintergleam
Kildare
Western Absentia
Hawshire-Dura
Possibly Vervolkommnung
Annexis
Possibly one or two, depends on stuff I haven't checked yet
Gains that would be made under this system:
Kildare
Raynor Isles
Possibly Norfolk and/or Old Hallucination
And remember people, this is a proclamation, not a decree.
Mortis
Amarr
Discontinuity
Kalir
Araxion
Bjorngard
Cimmeria
Wintergleam
Kildare
Western Absentia
Hawshire-Dura
Possibly Vervolkommnung
Annexis
Possibly one or two, depends on stuff I haven't checked yet
Gains that would be made under this system:
Kildare
Raynor Isles
Possibly Norfolk and/or Old Hallucination
And remember people, this is a proclamation, not a decree.
Anandja II Shika
Kaiseress of Shireroth
Lady of the Golden Mango Throne
Countess of Shirekeep
'Ananita, Shika Shilota'i
Kaiseress of Shireroth
Lady of the Golden Mango Throne
Countess of Shirekeep
'Ananita, Shika Shilota'i
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Re: Imperial Proclamation AII-1: Regarding the Counties
This is good.
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Re: Imperial Proclamation AII-1: Regarding the Counties
I hope so. I think it's a consistent system, which probably means that someone will poke large holes in it soon. I do however like that you can't claim counties just because they belong to some duchy you liked before, but rather because you helped develop them.
Anandja II Shika
Kaiseress of Shireroth
Lady of the Golden Mango Throne
Countess of Shirekeep
'Ananita, Shika Shilota'i
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Lady of the Golden Mango Throne
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Re: Imperial Proclamation AII-1: Regarding the Counties
Kralizec used to be Alexandrretta, which used to have more development. But we just got it, so give us a chance to get it worked out.
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Re: Imperial Proclamation AII-1: Regarding the Counties
That sounds reasonable, but unless there is some development within a reasonable amount of time, I will revoke it.
Anandja II Shika
Kaiseress of Shireroth
Lady of the Golden Mango Throne
Countess of Shirekeep
'Ananita, Shika Shilota'i
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Lady of the Golden Mango Throne
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Re: Imperial Proclamation AII-1: Regarding the Counties
I find this fair enough.
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Re: Imperial Proclamation AII-1: Regarding the Counties
Thoughts on counties belonging to citizens not of a house?
Dutch of Kildare
Jarl in Asantelian
Steward of Shireroth
Swnndyrrr Ytteirsal
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I think it's personally reasonable myself.. Might lead to the development of a House latter. In theory all houses would start as such.
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Re: Imperial Proclamation AII-1: Regarding the Counties
House Swnndyrrr, go!
Dutch of Kildare
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Steward of Shireroth
Swnndyrrr Ytteirsal
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Re: Imperial Proclamation AII-1: Regarding the Counties
WOW HEY FUCK THIS NOISEKaiseress Anandja II wrote:If this system was in place at the moment, the following counties would probably be revoked:
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Discontinuity
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Re: Imperial Proclamation AII-1: Regarding the Counties
Once more: you can't touch Hawshire-Dura. It's a protectorate of the Dutchy and not from the Kaiser, or even the Imperial Government.
From a distance I'm concerned about the rampant lawyerism manifesting itself in Shireroth currently. A simple Kaiserial slap on the wrist or censure by the community should suffice. - Jacobus Loki
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Icebreaker, you can still live there, but it wouldn't be your county. I don't see enough work by you to merit that, but if you can prove it to the Arbiter, feel free.
Jonas, I will have to look at the old treaty, which I haven't done. This was just a preliminary list.
Jonas, I will have to look at the old treaty, which I haven't done. This was just a preliminary list.
Anandja II Shika
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Lady of the Golden Mango Throne
Countess of Shirekeep
'Ananita, Shika Shilota'i
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Lady of the Golden Mango Throne
Countess of Shirekeep
'Ananita, Shika Shilota'i
Re: Imperial Proclamation AII-1: Regarding the Counties
Just saying.Kaiseress Anandja II wrote: Jonas, I will have to look at the old treaty, which I haven't done. This was just a preliminary list.
From a distance I'm concerned about the rampant lawyerism manifesting itself in Shireroth currently. A simple Kaiserial slap on the wrist or censure by the community should suffice. - Jacobus Loki
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Re: Imperial Proclamation AII-1: Regarding the Counties
WELL OKAY
ALTERNATIVELY IF SOME HOUSE WANTS AN EXTRA CITIZEN FOR WHATEVER POLITICAL SHIT GOES ON THESE DAYS, I'LL JOIN FOR THE LOW LOW COST OF YOU WRITING UP SOME DISCONTINUITY FANFIC AND GIVING ME THE CREDIT.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE MY OWN, NEW HOUSE, "HOUSE FUCK EVERYONE ELSE", WITH DISCONTINUITY AS ITS CORE COUNTY.Kaiseress Anandja II wrote:Under this system, each House would get one core county, their capital. It could never be removed from the House, except in extreme circumstances, and would serve as the core of the House territory.
ALTERNATIVELY IF SOME HOUSE WANTS AN EXTRA CITIZEN FOR WHATEVER POLITICAL SHIT GOES ON THESE DAYS, I'LL JOIN FOR THE LOW LOW COST OF YOU WRITING UP SOME DISCONTINUITY FANFIC AND GIVING ME THE CREDIT.
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No deal. A house can't consist of just one person, and the work has to be made by you. As far as I can see, you haven't done anything with Discontinuity, but please prove me wrong.
Anandja II Shika
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Countess of Shirekeep
'Ananita, Shika Shilota'i
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Re: Imperial Proclamation AII-1: Regarding the Counties
I'm more than willing to give you some time to work on Discontinuity so you can keep it.
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Lady of the Golden Mango Throne
Countess of Shirekeep
'Ananita, Shika Shilota'i
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Lady of the Golden Mango Throne
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'Ananita, Shika Shilota'i
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Re: Imperial Proclamation AII-1: Regarding the Counties
Actually, it isn't.Jonas wrote:Once more: you can't touch Hawshire-Dura. It's a protectorate of the Dutchy and not from the Kaiser, or even the Imperial Government.
Anandja II Shika
Kaiseress of Shireroth
Lady of the Golden Mango Throne
Countess of Shirekeep
'Ananita, Shika Shilota'i
Kaiseress of Shireroth
Lady of the Golden Mango Throne
Countess of Shirekeep
'Ananita, Shika Shilota'i
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Re: Imperial Proclamation AII-1: Regarding the Counties
WHAT'S THE MINIMUM NUMBER REQUIRED FOR A HOUSE THEN?Kaiseress Anandja II wrote:No deal. A house can't consist of just one person, and the work has to be made by you.
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Re: Imperial Proclamation AII-1: Regarding the Counties
Two.
Anandja II Shika
Kaiseress of Shireroth
Lady of the Golden Mango Throne
Countess of Shirekeep
'Ananita, Shika Shilota'i
Kaiseress of Shireroth
Lady of the Golden Mango Throne
Countess of Shirekeep
'Ananita, Shika Shilota'i
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Re: Imperial Proclamation AII-1: Regarding the Counties
So Icebreaker, join up with Corey
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Re: Imperial Proclamation AII-1: Regarding the Counties
Daniel, I would like some help to draft the DecreeBook amendment regarding counties. So, whenever you have the time, could you get on MSN or #micronations?
Anandja II Shika
Kaiseress of Shireroth
Lady of the Golden Mango Throne
Countess of Shirekeep
'Ananita, Shika Shilota'i
Kaiseress of Shireroth
Lady of the Golden Mango Throne
Countess of Shirekeep
'Ananita, Shika Shilota'i
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Re: Imperial Proclamation AII-1: Regarding the Counties
Sure - tonight, say... tenish?
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It's a date.
Anandja II Shika
Kaiseress of Shireroth
Lady of the Golden Mango Throne
Countess of Shirekeep
'Ananita, Shika Shilota'i
Kaiseress of Shireroth
Lady of the Golden Mango Throne
Countess of Shirekeep
'Ananita, Shika Shilota'i
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Looking forward to it
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NAH, ACTUALLY MY COUSIN HAS EXPRESSED SOME INTEREST IN THIS, MIGHT GET HER TO JOINDaniel Farewell wrote:So Icebreaker, join up with Corey
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Re: Imperial Proclamation AII-1: Regarding the Counties
In before everyone accuses this "cousin" of being a double login.
Also, why would you introduce her to a hobby you don't even like? Seems sorta cruel. Unless you don't actually like the cousin I guess.
Also, why would you introduce her to a hobby you don't even like? Seems sorta cruel. Unless you don't actually like the cousin I guess.
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Re: Imperial Proclamation AII-1: Regarding the Counties
Hi everybody! Ice has told me a lot about you guys, but I've been sort of nervous to sign up... he's just started pressuring me now, lol Not too sure what this is all about yet, but i'm gonna try to learn fast! Also this gives me a chacne to show off this cool avatar I just made, what do you guys think?
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Re: Imperial Proclamation AII-1: Regarding the Counties
What do I do now?
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Re: Imperial Proclamation AII-1: Regarding the Counties
PREEEEEEETTY SURE YOU GO TO THE IMMIGRATION FORUM AND POST SOME TOPIC OF SHIT, DUNNO, HAVEN'T DONE IT IN A WHILE
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