Gotta build some housing

[Austi_Scot]

Let´s start consulting and working out how much wood and labor I need to build housing for these dang peasants. Wouldn´t them to get sick and not be able to work cuz they had to sleep out in the rain or something.

[Andreas the Wise]

In terms of going up levels, it's

Level 2. 5 Building Materials
Level 3. 10 Building Materials
Laterials, 5 Transport
Level 5. 15 Building Materials, 5 Transport, 5 Metal,
Level 6. 15 Building Materials, 10 Transport, 5 Metal, 2 Clothing, 3 Power
Level 7. 20 Building Materials, 10 Transport, 5 Metal, 2 Clothing, 3 Power, 2 Luxury Goods
Level 8. 20 Building Materials, 10 Transport, 10 Metal, 4 Clothing, 6 Power, 4 Luxury Goods
Level 9. 20 Building Materials, 10 Transport, 10 Metal, 4 Clothing, 6 Power, 6 Luxury Goods, 5 Luxury Metal
Level 10. 25 Building Materials, 15 Transport, 10 Metal, 8 Clothing, 10 Power, 8 Luxury Goods, 5 Luxury Metal
Top Level. 30 Building Materials, 15 Transport, 15 Metal, 8 Clothing, 10 Power, 10 Luxury Goods, 10 Luxury Metal

I made Building Materials the main part of that, assuming that each level provided greater dwelling places.

[Austi_Scot]

Level 2. 5 Building Materials

So is this 5 building materials for each peasant family per house? Right now I have 24 peasant families and imagine I need 24 houses right now. I intend to have more plots and more peasants eventually. Is this a one time building of a house or is this how much I need each week?

How much labor must I use to build a wood house? - something like the rate of 10 peasants (1unit or 1 family) for the length of 4 weeks to build a wood house, maybe longer to build a stone house?

This would also be something like 40 peasants families for 1 week to build a wood house, 80 peasant families for 3.5 days or two houses in a week.

[Andreas the Wise]

No, levels are once off payments for the whole plot. So you pay 5 Building Materials once and you build a set of houses big enough for the (max 9 I think) peasants you're allowed at that level. As you see, the requirements get fairly expensive fairly quickly - you wouldn't like to be doing them for every peasant.

Advancing the level doesn't have a labour requirement (mainly cause I invented labour later for buildings). If you'd li to develop some sort of building things as well, you're welcome to.

[Austi_Scot]

Let's do it the way you have it set up. I know we said we can change - and we might, but first let's do the way you have it.

[Andreas the Wise]

The time has come to discuss this more because the ME is annoying me. That is, anyone who's explored may have come across something with -ME at the end, standing for Mutually Exclusive. That means you can't get both resources at the same time. Common ones are farming and mineral, or farming and wood.

Anyway, the plan was you would later be able to construct buildings to overcome that - eg a mine for mineral resources, a plantation for forest/farm etc. Now, since this is a one off payment to remove the ME, what's an appropriate price for it?

[Austi_Scot]

high - it should cost a lot to be able to get the extra resource.

[Andreas the Wise]

Remember, you can already get both resources - just not at the same time.

[Austi_Scot]

maybe so, but maybe you should have to pick one until you build,,, or pay.

[Andreas the Wise]

Have you picked one? You have a couple ME properties as I recall.

[Austi_Scot]

ummm, just for that I went and looked at every PM you sent telling me the resources of my plots.

Not in a single one of them did you say any resouces were Mutually Exclusive.

[Andreas the Wise]

Plot 8 I'm sure I told you became ME between Gas and Farming when I added gas to it.

13 is ME (mine)
31 is ME (mine)
and 36 is ME. (mine)

That would explain it, actually.

[Austi_Scot]

The time has arrived for me to figure out this weeks production. I haven't heard back from you as to natural gas and farming being ME. I shall attempt to treatas ME this week. If I hear nothing I will go back to mutual production.

If there is a cost to make them ME I will do my best to fullfil that once I know what that cost.

[Andreas the Wise]

Plot 8 I'm sure I told you became ME between Gas and Farming when I added gas to it.

I thought that explained it.

As for costs ... conflicts are:
Metal and Farming - so build a "Mine"
Two types of metals - so build a "Mine" (assuming one is underground and the other is open cut)
Farming and Animals - build an "Enclosure" (for the animals)
Farming and Wood - set up a "Reserve"
Animals and Animals - build an "Enclosure"
Farming and Gas - build a whatever it is you use to extract gas.
Metal and Gas - build either a Mine or whatever it is you use to extract gas.

Therefore we have
Mine - what say 5 Wood, 15 Stone, abour [that is, 10 labourers for a week]
Enclosure - what say 20 Wood, 5 Stone, 15 Labour
Reserve - what say 20 Stone, 5 Metal, 15 Labour (telling you to build it out of wood seems stupid)
Extracting Gas - What say 10 Stone, 10 Metal, 10 Wood, 10 Labour

Those seem reasonable? Should we add Power or Transport costs?

[Austi_Scot]

Again, here is what you told me:

Subject: Accounts

Austi_Scot wrote:
Spent: 20 Kala for plot 8, 4 Kala to explore = 24 Kala spent

Silly me, I looked at the Charter topic and not this one, and missed that you'd purchased 8. Oh well. You now have an extra 20 Natural Gas available.

No mention of ME - thus when you said you were sure you had, I thought my showing you that you hadn't explained why I hadn't treated them as ME.

Sure, let's add power cost to be able to build.

[Andreas the Wise]

Sorry, I meant that I had in this thread if I hadn't at the time. I'm not worried about you not treating that plot as ME before this.

What would your suggested costs be then?

[Austi_Scot]

My suggestion is to add 10 power to building a mine and 20 power to extracting gas.

I suggest no power added to building an enclosure or a reserve as it seems the peasants should be able to do that without extra power.

[Andreas the Wise]

Mine - what say 5 Wood, 15 Stone, 10 Metal, 10 Labour, 10 Power [that is, 10 labourers for a week]
Enclosure - what say 20 Wood, 5 Stone, 20 Labour
Reserve - what say 20 Stone, 5 Metal, 20 Labour (telling you to build it out of wood seems stupid)
Extracting Gas - What say 10 Stone, 10 Metal, 10 Labour, 20 Power

How's that then? I removed wood from Extracting Gas to make overall costs comparable.

[Austi_Scot]

Looks good, may I suggest adding it to the Charter.

[Andreas the Wise]

Sounds like a plan, I'll do that now.