Discussion: Remove the SCUE from the SC.

[Kaiseress Anandja II]

Is that the official position of Batavia or just a rhetorical question?

[Jonas]

Is that the official position of Batavia or just a rhetorical question?

Rhetorical.

[Kaiseress Anandja II]

Ah. Good one.

[Harvey Steffke]

With respect to the representative from Batavia, we have enough realistic problems without fabricating rhetorical ones. If the good nation of Batavia, or indeed any country, has an official stance to make on the matter than I believe we would all be very pleased to hear their views. But until that occurs, merely speculating on what your government "may" do without their knowledge or approval is neither useful in this discussion nor becoming of a representative.

[Jonas]

With respect to the representative from Batavia, we have enough realistic problems without fabricating rhetorical ones. If the good nation of Batavia, or indeed any country, has an official stance to make on the matter than I believe we would all be very pleased to hear their views. But until that occurs, merely speculating on what your government "may" do without their knowledge or approval is neither useful in this discussion nor becoming of a representative.

I'm not the representative of Batavia...
But if you really want to know: there is a majority in the Lagerhuis who think it isn't a good move. This doesn't mean that they will vote 'nay', but I don't see it as totally impossible. So, I want to know how this would be solved.
I think it's a fair question: can one nation blockade everything?

[Kaiseress Anandja II]

If you are not the representative of Batavia, why do you behave as you are? This is the Commonwealth Assembly.

[Jonas]

If you are not the representative of Batavia, why do you behave as you are? This is the Commonwealth Assembly.

I assumed that we had agreed to let the people speak in the Assembly
You (as Mike), Daniel, Mors VI and I have already spoken here, and not everyone of us is a representative.

[Kaiseress Anandja II]

That is correct, but none of us behave as if we represent our nations. You tend to do that.

[Andreas the Wise]

Jonas, in that case I would negotiate with the Batavians and see if I could alleviate their concerns. I trust that they are sensible people and such negotiations would be possible.

[Jonas]

That is correct, but none of us behave as if we represent our nations. You tend to do that.

I'm just using it as an example because I know the public opinion of that country the best. That isn't acting as a representative.

Jonas, in that case I would negotiate with the Batavians and see if I could alleviate their concerns. I trust that they are sensible people and such negotiations would be possible.

Sounds good to me.

[Erik Mortis]

Wait.. I'm a little lost, does this mean Batavia won't support the moving of the SCUE from the SC.

And personally, if we aren't in the SC anymore, we should find a new name for the treaty that represents that, and is not confusing.

[Kaiseress Anandja II]

Batavia is apparently discussing the issue at the moment and it's basically a coin toss.

[Erik Mortis]

Perhaps the Nelagans, who first fronted the idea, would be interested in talking to them, persuading them of the merits for the SCUE as a separate organization.

[Harvey Steffke]

Jonas is basically our only contact with them. The language barrier is pretty harsh and I haven't seen Max around here in a while.

[Jonas]

Jonas is basically our only contact with them. The language barrier is pretty harsh and I haven't seen Max around here in a while.

It would probably be a good idea to let someone discuss this on the Batavian forum so all members of the Lagerhuis can ask their questions if they want. I think Andreas would be the right person for the job, as I'm not really 'pro' the idea myself (just saying that there are better people then me to get the people support the idea ).

[Harvey Steffke]

Oooooorrrr we could decide if we want to do it at all, put it to a vote, and have them get back to us or not like every other country. Not quite sure why we need to wait for special permission from Batavia.

[Jonas]

Oooooorrrr we could decide if we want to do it at all, put it to a vote, and have them get back to us or not like every other country. Not quite sure why we need to wait for special permission from Batavia.

I'm not saying you need special permission from Batavia, just asking for someone who could explain the benefits better then me.
I'm not going to try to convince the Batavians, as I don't see much benefits either (BUT I haven't said anything negative either!). In that case it's better to ask someone who knows more about it, to explain (Andreas pops into my mind).

[Andreas the Wise]

If you give me access to the right forum and tell me which topic to do it in, sure.

[Jonas]

Excellent!

[Erik Mortis]

Simple Currency Unified Economy Treaty

1. Any nation may sign this Simple Currency Unified Economy Treaty, provided they gain approval from existing signatories.

2. An applicant to this treaty shall be considered by existing signatories. If, within a week, no existing signatory objects, the new nation shall be able to sign this treaty and issued starting currency as explained below.

3. All signatories to this treaty have a unified currency, and share a unified bank. Any participant in the economy of a signatory nation may make economic transactions with participants of any other signatory nations without restrictions, fees or tariffs.

4. Each signatory nations reserves the right to refer to the currency by whatever name they want. This does not make their currency different from the unified currency, and all the names are assumed to have a 1:1 exchange ratio.

5. Participants within this unified currency shall register their accounts in a particular signatory nation, or region thereof. By registering with that nation, participants' accounts are subject to any economic regulation or taxation of that nation, but not of any other nation.

6. No currency can be created or destroyed by the signatory nations, except in the manner outlined here and in section 7. Each new signatory nation is entitled to create currency for an initial distribution among citizens of that country, under the following conditions:
a. They shall count how many citizens they have who do not currently hold accounts via any existing signatory nation.
b. They shall be entitled to 7,500 units of currency per citizen counted in this manner, to be distributed as they see fit.

7. In addition to section 6, the member nations may authorize a special, once-off creation or destruction of currency if 2/3 of all member nations agree.

8. There shall be an administrator of the bank, with the power to change the region of accounts as required; to create currency for new signatory nations; and to enforce taxation.

9. This administrator shall be elected by the signatory nations. At any time the administrator may be removed by a 2/3 vote of no confidence in the administrator, at which time a new administrator shall be elected by the signatory nations.

10. Should a signatory nation withdraw from this treaty, due to death or otherwise, all currency held in accounts registered in that nation shall be removed.

11. This treaty may be amended with the approval of a majority of all member nations.

So this is the draft for the new treaty. Any other comments?

Can we please give it a better name? It's so incredibly awkward.

[Kaiseress Anandja II]

MMU? Micras Monetary Union? Taken from the EMU (European Monetary Union) which is basically the same thing (yeah, you know).

[Erik Mortis]

I rather no mention of Micras, some nations might not be on it. Change it to Micronational Monetary Union and it's the same thing, but without the 'exclusion' of using micras.

[Daniel Farewell]

Treaty on a common currency?

[Kaiseress Anandja II]

I like Micronational Monetary Union.

[Daniel Farewell]

NOOOOO! No "micronational" Sounds so pathetic. We're real nations.

Summat.

"International Monetary Union" then. Or "Multinational MU"

[Kaiseress Anandja II]

But we are micronations. Not secessionists.

[Daniel Farewell]

I know that.

But I like to think we're real states, if only for the sake of play The storyline etc.

[Erik Mortis]

Inter-Micronational Monetary Union? (IMMU)... EMU!

[Kaiseress Anandja II]

Or just Inter-Monetary Union?

[Jonas]

I like SCUE... I don't want to see it changed.

And this system is quite different from the EMU, at least if you want to avoid the creation of a central bank OR if you want to avoid that the nations have to join an European Union (yes, there are some exceptions for nations like the Vatican).