Joint Economic System
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- Andreas the Wise
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Joint Economic System
Been thinking on how to describe this. I've decided I'll go with as follows:
A vote-based economy, with 100 000 in circulation, 10 000 of which is government reserves and around 10 000 taken in taxes. Money is paid out to citizens from government largely on a bounty basis (with 200 the rough value for a basic bounty). Gods and services are sold primarily between citizens as people, not on behalf of simulated countries. All citizens have a bank account on Shirebank (though each nation gets a separate sub-section).
With this then, exchange is roughly 1:1 with the erb, with differences in value based on other factors (I'm in the process of working out exchange formulae with some help from Hesam, roughly based on old ICEO formulas. Hey, now MNN has gone and I've lost my access to ICEO archives, anyone got a link to an ICEO formula for reference? )
A vote-based economy, with 100 000 in circulation, 10 000 of which is government reserves and around 10 000 taken in taxes. Money is paid out to citizens from government largely on a bounty basis (with 200 the rough value for a basic bounty). Gods and services are sold primarily between citizens as people, not on behalf of simulated countries. All citizens have a bank account on Shirebank (though each nation gets a separate sub-section).
With this then, exchange is roughly 1:1 with the erb, with differences in value based on other factors (I'm in the process of working out exchange formulae with some help from Hesam, roughly based on old ICEO formulas. Hey, now MNN has gone and I've lost my access to ICEO archives, anyone got a link to an ICEO formula for reference? )
The character Andreas the Wise is on indefinite leave.
However, this account still manages:
Cla'Udi - Count of Melangia
Manuel - CEO of VBNC. For all you'll ever need.
Vincent Waldgrave - Lord General of Gralus
Q - Director of SAMIN
Duke Mel'Kat - Air Pirate, Melangian, and Duke of the Flying Duchy of Glanurchy
And references may be made to Vur'Alm Xei'Bôn (a Nelagan Micron of undisclosed purpose).
However, this account still manages:
Cla'Udi - Count of Melangia
Manuel - CEO of VBNC. For all you'll ever need.
Vincent Waldgrave - Lord General of Gralus
Q - Director of SAMIN
Duke Mel'Kat - Air Pirate, Melangian, and Duke of the Flying Duchy of Glanurchy
And references may be made to Vur'Alm Xei'Bôn (a Nelagan Micron of undisclosed purpose).
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Re: Joint Economic System
I dislike formulas, and I doubt people will change their voting system to include economic power.
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Re: Joint Economic System
Formula's for exchange rates are only a rough guide. Remember, market exchange rates are our ideal. Even with a formula, we expect the money lenders to fluctuate around it, picking up a nice margin for themselves.
And if they don't want a vote economy, they don't want a joint system. Simple.
And if they don't want a vote economy, they don't want a joint system. Simple.
The character Andreas the Wise is on indefinite leave.
However, this account still manages:
Cla'Udi - Count of Melangia
Manuel - CEO of VBNC. For all you'll ever need.
Vincent Waldgrave - Lord General of Gralus
Q - Director of SAMIN
Duke Mel'Kat - Air Pirate, Melangian, and Duke of the Flying Duchy of Glanurchy
And references may be made to Vur'Alm Xei'Bôn (a Nelagan Micron of undisclosed purpose).
However, this account still manages:
Cla'Udi - Count of Melangia
Manuel - CEO of VBNC. For all you'll ever need.
Vincent Waldgrave - Lord General of Gralus
Q - Director of SAMIN
Duke Mel'Kat - Air Pirate, Melangian, and Duke of the Flying Duchy of Glanurchy
And references may be made to Vur'Alm Xei'Bôn (a Nelagan Micron of undisclosed purpose).
- Kaiser Loki III
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Re: Joint Economic System
I don't want a vote economy, either.
Loki III, Kaiser of Shireroth
"Shireroth sumus. Tempus in parte nostrum est."
The Awaited One, Bearer of the Sword
Traditional King of the Mala'anje
Prince of Hvalafell
Lord Protector of Yardistan
Vryheer of Maraguo
"Shireroth sumus. Tempus in parte nostrum est."
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Re: Joint Economic System
Like I said, my idea of a joint system just meant their system and our system meet up somewhere.
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Re: Joint Economic System
Like Erik said. Right, fishy?
Glub!
Fishy says yes.
Glub!
Fishy says yes.
Loki III, Kaiser of Shireroth
"Shireroth sumus. Tempus in parte nostrum est."
The Awaited One, Bearer of the Sword
Traditional King of the Mala'anje
Prince of Hvalafell
Lord Protector of Yardistan
Vryheer of Maraguo
"Shireroth sumus. Tempus in parte nostrum est."
The Awaited One, Bearer of the Sword
Traditional King of the Mala'anje
Prince of Hvalafell
Lord Protector of Yardistan
Vryheer of Maraguo
Re: Joint Economic System
Maybe fishy means 'no'. I want a Babelfish Translation!
From a distance I'm concerned about the rampant lawyerism manifesting itself in Shireroth currently. A simple Kaiserial slap on the wrist or censure by the community should suffice. - Jacobus Loki
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Can't you see? I'm crazy!
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Re: Joint Economic System
Don't use babelfish. Babelfish fails miserably at translation...
Boris Ivanovich Serov ronToketi VI
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Re: Joint Economic System
Um...Prodge... "babel "
Oroigawa Koreyasu
Count of McCallavre, Straylight
Count of Lesser Attera, Kildare
Count of Asantelian, Brookshire
Chairman, Senate of the Lakes, Hurmu
Count of McCallavre, Straylight
Count of Lesser Attera, Kildare
Count of Asantelian, Brookshire
Chairman, Senate of the Lakes, Hurmu
Re: Joint Economic System
Babelfish sucks. Simple circle translation (English>German>French>Portuguese>English) of the first paragraph of this page:
The Senate d' State is the high Chamber of the Bicamerastaat-Kongresses, the Chamber of the Communes c' it is the Chamber of the representatives. The constuction and the energies of the Senate and the house are manufactured in articles d' the constitution (not that d' expressions " ; it uses; upper" ; e " ; lower" . Independently, the population is represented each American state of two senators and therefore based in the same representation of each state. Senators serve the expressions d' year of six that they are varied, so that of two in two years, one terço of the Senate, while l' another one terço in two d' other years it is chosen, that is chosen a constant grouping. Therefore it has of two in two years of the races in redor of the Senate. In compliance with a theory, that is popular enters the scientists of the government of the United States, the Senate as a body more advisory as the Chamber of the representatives is considered much time, because the Senate is smaller e its members serves long expressions more than and an atmosphere kollegialere and less parteigängerischere that she is isolated more little of l' public opinion that the house allows. The Senate has about a l' exclusion of the energies that are not attributed to the house, including the assent to contracts as federal stipulation of its confirmation and assent to the nominations of the cabinet secretaries and judges.
The Senate d' State is the high Chamber of the Bicamerastaat-Kongresses, the Chamber of the Communes c' it is the Chamber of the representatives. The constuction and the energies of the Senate and the house are manufactured in articles d' the constitution (not that d' expressions " ; it uses; upper" ; e " ; lower" . Independently, the population is represented each American state of two senators and therefore based in the same representation of each state. Senators serve the expressions d' year of six that they are varied, so that of two in two years, one terço of the Senate, while l' another one terço in two d' other years it is chosen, that is chosen a constant grouping. Therefore it has of two in two years of the races in redor of the Senate. In compliance with a theory, that is popular enters the scientists of the government of the United States, the Senate as a body more advisory as the Chamber of the representatives is considered much time, because the Senate is smaller e its members serves long expressions more than and an atmosphere kollegialere and less parteigängerischere that she is isolated more little of l' public opinion that the house allows. The Senate has about a l' exclusion of the energies that are not attributed to the house, including the assent to contracts as federal stipulation of its confirmation and assent to the nominations of the cabinet secretaries and judges.
His Grace the Lord Brookshire, LK GMNS
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Duke of Brookshire, Baron of Lakhesis
Knight of the Dragon
Fan of SOAD
Re: Joint Economic System
Meanwhile, Google with the same circle process produces:
The U. S. Senate is the upper house of the U. S. both houses of Congress, the greater the lower house is the House of Representatives. The composition and powers of the Senate and the House are, in Article I of the Constitution (which did not use the term "superior" and "low"). Regardless of population, each state is represented by two senators, and therefore, on the basis of equal representation from each state. Senators of six years, staggered so that every two years, one third of Senate is elected, while the other is elected as the third most two years, a constant reshuffling. Therefore, there are Senate races every two years. One theory popular time for scientists from the U.S. government, the Senate is seen as an advisory body of the House of Representatives because the Senate is smaller and its members longer, so that fewer Academy and a political party atmosphere, a little more isolated the public's house. The Senate has sole power to several steps at home, including the approval of contracts as a precondition for the ratification and approval of the appointment of Cabinet secretaries and judges of Confederation.
Not too bad...
The U. S. Senate is the upper house of the U. S. both houses of Congress, the greater the lower house is the House of Representatives. The composition and powers of the Senate and the House are, in Article I of the Constitution (which did not use the term "superior" and "low"). Regardless of population, each state is represented by two senators, and therefore, on the basis of equal representation from each state. Senators of six years, staggered so that every two years, one third of Senate is elected, while the other is elected as the third most two years, a constant reshuffling. Therefore, there are Senate races every two years. One theory popular time for scientists from the U.S. government, the Senate is seen as an advisory body of the House of Representatives because the Senate is smaller and its members longer, so that fewer Academy and a political party atmosphere, a little more isolated the public's house. The Senate has sole power to several steps at home, including the approval of contracts as a precondition for the ratification and approval of the appointment of Cabinet secretaries and judges of Confederation.
Not too bad...
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Re: Joint Economic System
But completely irrelevant here.
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Re: Joint Economic System
Right ... after much thought, and Vandersluij's law, I think we should drop any treaty about Joint Economic Systems. Maybe the odd economic conference to share ideas, but nothing that suggests Shireroth's system is inherently better than anything else ...
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However, this account still manages:
Cla'Udi - Count of Melangia
Manuel - CEO of VBNC. For all you'll ever need.
Vincent Waldgrave - Lord General of Gralus
Q - Director of SAMIN
Duke Mel'Kat - Air Pirate, Melangian, and Duke of the Flying Duchy of Glanurchy
And references may be made to Vur'Alm Xei'Bôn (a Nelagan Micron of undisclosed purpose).
However, this account still manages:
Cla'Udi - Count of Melangia
Manuel - CEO of VBNC. For all you'll ever need.
Vincent Waldgrave - Lord General of Gralus
Q - Director of SAMIN
Duke Mel'Kat - Air Pirate, Melangian, and Duke of the Flying Duchy of Glanurchy
And references may be made to Vur'Alm Xei'Bôn (a Nelagan Micron of undisclosed purpose).
- Oroigawa Koreyasu
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Re: Joint Economic System
IT EXISTS!Andreas the Wise wrote:Vandersluij's Law
Oroigawa Koreyasu
Count of McCallavre, Straylight
Count of Lesser Attera, Kildare
Count of Asantelian, Brookshire
Chairman, Senate of the Lakes, Hurmu
Count of McCallavre, Straylight
Count of Lesser Attera, Kildare
Count of Asantelian, Brookshire
Chairman, Senate of the Lakes, Hurmu
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Re: Joint Economic System
http://microhub.org/index.php?topic=56.0
Yet not a single comment ....
Yet not a single comment ....
The character Andreas the Wise is on indefinite leave.
However, this account still manages:
Cla'Udi - Count of Melangia
Manuel - CEO of VBNC. For all you'll ever need.
Vincent Waldgrave - Lord General of Gralus
Q - Director of SAMIN
Duke Mel'Kat - Air Pirate, Melangian, and Duke of the Flying Duchy of Glanurchy
And references may be made to Vur'Alm Xei'Bôn (a Nelagan Micron of undisclosed purpose).
However, this account still manages:
Cla'Udi - Count of Melangia
Manuel - CEO of VBNC. For all you'll ever need.
Vincent Waldgrave - Lord General of Gralus
Q - Director of SAMIN
Duke Mel'Kat - Air Pirate, Melangian, and Duke of the Flying Duchy of Glanurchy
And references may be made to Vur'Alm Xei'Bôn (a Nelagan Micron of undisclosed purpose).
- Oroigawa Koreyasu
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Re: Joint Economic System
Bah! That's because my name is on it!
Oroigawa Koreyasu
Count of McCallavre, Straylight
Count of Lesser Attera, Kildare
Count of Asantelian, Brookshire
Chairman, Senate of the Lakes, Hurmu
Count of McCallavre, Straylight
Count of Lesser Attera, Kildare
Count of Asantelian, Brookshire
Chairman, Senate of the Lakes, Hurmu
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Re: Joint Economic System
Well, you could comment ...
The character Andreas the Wise is on indefinite leave.
However, this account still manages:
Cla'Udi - Count of Melangia
Manuel - CEO of VBNC. For all you'll ever need.
Vincent Waldgrave - Lord General of Gralus
Q - Director of SAMIN
Duke Mel'Kat - Air Pirate, Melangian, and Duke of the Flying Duchy of Glanurchy
And references may be made to Vur'Alm Xei'Bôn (a Nelagan Micron of undisclosed purpose).
However, this account still manages:
Cla'Udi - Count of Melangia
Manuel - CEO of VBNC. For all you'll ever need.
Vincent Waldgrave - Lord General of Gralus
Q - Director of SAMIN
Duke Mel'Kat - Air Pirate, Melangian, and Duke of the Flying Duchy of Glanurchy
And references may be made to Vur'Alm Xei'Bôn (a Nelagan Micron of undisclosed purpose).
- Oroigawa Koreyasu
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Re: Joint Economic System
I never participated on MNN except to turn down an award, and I don't plan on participating on any of it's reincarnations.
Oroigawa Koreyasu
Count of McCallavre, Straylight
Count of Lesser Attera, Kildare
Count of Asantelian, Brookshire
Chairman, Senate of the Lakes, Hurmu
Count of McCallavre, Straylight
Count of Lesser Attera, Kildare
Count of Asantelian, Brookshire
Chairman, Senate of the Lakes, Hurmu
- Kaiser Loki III
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Re: Joint Economic System
A-but nothing that suggests Shireroth's system is inherently better than anything else
It's Shireroth's, therefore by definition better than anyone's.
B-
Its prime mover was a Babkhan, so it is therefore inhertently evil.
C-
The Ancient Wisdom says that love of money is the root of all evil.
I guess everything balances......
Loki III, Kaiser of Shireroth
"Shireroth sumus. Tempus in parte nostrum est."
The Awaited One, Bearer of the Sword
Traditional King of the Mala'anje
Prince of Hvalafell
Lord Protector of Yardistan
Vryheer of Maraguo
"Shireroth sumus. Tempus in parte nostrum est."
The Awaited One, Bearer of the Sword
Traditional King of the Mala'anje
Prince of Hvalafell
Lord Protector of Yardistan
Vryheer of Maraguo
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