Re: Hurmu Holyfication Bill 3801

Harald of Froyalan · Post by **Harald of Froyalan** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:10 am

Article 1 - Association:
1.1. Hurmu vests in the Imperial Republic of Shireroth, for the duration of this treaty, all title, right and claim to all of Hurmu, including its sovereignty. The territory of Hurmu will as such be integrated into Shireroth.

1.2. Shireroth agrees to enact and keep laws making the lakes of Hurmu and their surrounding lands holy.

Shireroth is obliged by the Treaty of Association and Friendship to enact and keep laws making the lakes of Hurmu and their surrounding lands holy. It could be taken to the Commonwealth Court if it doesn't.

Malliki Tosha · Post by **Malliki Tosha** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:13 am

Yes, that's why I introduced the bill. But the holy lands provision, that by the way is very old and originated as an Imperial Decree, is apparently a big problem and bla bla bla...

Post by **Erik Mortis** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 1:52 pm

So we our bound by treaty to enact this. Hurmu as a territory could take it to the CC or to my court. wait.. Hurmu's status in the SC is now in question...

Malliki Tosha · Post by **Malliki Tosha** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 1:58 pm

Yes, but the treaty is specific, and Shireroth is a signatory nation. The Court would have jurisdiction.

Post by **Erik Mortis** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 2:00 pm

Fair enough. Either court could handle it.

Malliki Tosha · Post by **Malliki Tosha** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 2:01 pm

Yep, depends on where Hurmu or Shireroth would choose to take it.

Daniel Farewell · Post by **Daniel Farewell** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 2:02 pm

Hurmu can still amend that treaty, that is no problem. Hurmu would be more than willing to come to some sort of reasonable consensus or at least a resolution that most parties support. This includes, of course, compromises.

The question, though, is what we can do. Hurmu has no intention of forcing things upon Shireroth.

Santelran Rottsaa · Post by **Santelran Rottsaa** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 2:02 pm

As Valdi of Hurmu, I'm willing to find an alternative.

Post by **Erik Mortis** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 2:05 pm

Just take it to court. It's why we made them.

Ari Rahikkala · Post by **Ari Rahikkala** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 2:10 pm

We could amend the treaty to directly say Shireroth shall keep the lands holy (or something more specific I guess). Mike's been so eager to see some treaties that actually have some significance, and "Hurmu wants it" might reduce the naysaying in the Landsraad...

Malliki Tosha · Post by **Malliki Tosha** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 2:12 pm

Just reinterpret the phrase "keep the lands holy" or whatever it was. As long as the two parties agree on the interpretation, everything is okay.